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One-on-one tackling the Galaxy Note 3 (N9005) - the good, the bad and the ugly side of the Note

Dies ist eine Diskussion über 'One-on-one tackling the Galaxy Note 3 (N9005) - the good, the bad and the ugly side of the Note' in dem Smartphone, Phablet und Smartlet Forum, Teil der TABLET-PC HARDWARE Kategorie im Tablet Computer Club Forum; (tested) Technical Specifications As said before the documentation of technical details and functions provided at the Samsung web page and ...

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    Standard (tested) Technical Specifications -  Onlineshop für Chinawaren in DE -  Onlineshop für Chinawaren in DE
    (tested) Technical Specifications
    As said before the documentation of technical details and functions provided at the Samsung web page and the manual are illiterate marketing gibberish only. For the lack of verifiable information from Samsung I referenced to web pages where I found plausible information.

    Notes 2 (7005) Notes 3 (9005)
    CPU [b] 1.6 GHz Samsung Exynos 4412
    (4x Cortex A9)
    [b] 2.3 GHz Snapdragon 800
    (4x Krait 400)
    8 Megapixel (3.264 x 2.448 Pixel)
    1,9 Megapixel (1.392 x 1.392 Pixel)
    Flash Type?
    13 Megapixel (4.128 x 3.096 Pixel)
    2,0 Megapixel (1.920 x 1.080 Pixel)
    Power HCRI LED (1EA)
    151 x 81 x 9,45 mm
    ca. 182 g
    151,2 x 79,2 x 8,3 mm
    168 g
    AMOLED-Touchscreen 5,55“ (14,10 cm)
    1.280 x 720 Pixel
    5,7“ (14,48 cm)
    1.920 x 1.080 Pixel
    Stylus pen
    tested with:
    Wacom based pen without erase button
    Slate 7 X700T1a S-pen with erase button
    Android™ 4.1.2 with update 4.3 4.3
    Accu (3.8 V)²
    3G talk/stby.
    Li-Ion, 3.100 mAh
    -17 h / 510h
    Li-Ion, 3.200 mAh
    21 h / 420 h
    tested Sat reception & video play Around 10% per hour Around 10% per hour
    WAN/Phone support varies with Model/region, may also have (receive with upgrade) region lock details still unclear
    WLAN 802.11a/b/g/n (2,4 + 5 GHz) (802.11a/b/g/n/ac) (2,4 + 5 GHz)
    Bluetooth Bluetooth 4.0
    tested with Donzo universal Mini BT v3.0 Bluetooth keyboard with Touchpad
    IR IR-Tx yes, IR-Rx (?)
    tested with e.g. Access Id, credit cards,
    Sensor Samsung does not provide any information as to type, accuracy or calibration of the sensors,
    therefore values displayed accuracy and calibration is unknown!
    Humidity relative
    RGB light,
    Battery temperature
    (G)NSS [b] GPS, GLONASS (global coverage)
    Beidou (Asia/Pacific coverage only)Tested with ZANavi and Openstreetmap materialin EUR
    µSDXC r/w
    tested with
    64 GB µSDXC UHS card
    [c] indicates that µSDXC reader will support at least up to 256 GB SDXC
    SIM Micro SIM (3FF)
    µUSB 2.0
    MHL Vers.?
    µUSB 3.0 (5,3 V, 2 A)
    [b]-MHL Vers. 2
    USB 2.0/3.0 memory
    tested with USB-stick
    128 GB USB2.0 and 3.0
    FAT 32 yes, exFAT? NTFS no
    40GB FAT 32 only 1st partition seen
    no NTFS support unless rooted
    128 GB USB2.0 and 3.0
    FAT 32 yes, exFAT? NTFS no
    40GB FAT 32 only 1st partition seen
    no NTFS support unless rooted
    USB-Hub 2.0and 3.0
    tested with
    4 to 10 port
    USB2.0 and 3.0
    USB-DVB-T Stick tested Noxon with SDR-Radio APP
    USB-Mouse & Keyboard
    via USB Hub
    Docking station
    Audio Ear/Mic combined stereo-Ear, mono microphone 3,5 mm jack combined stereo-Ear, mono microphone 3,5 mm jack
    AV tested via Note 2 Dock HDMI out (power supply needed) via Note 2 Dock HDMI out (power supply needed)
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    Standard Internal (µSDXC) and External USB HDD, USB flash drive and USB SD/CF reader r/w access

    Internal memory and µSDXC reader r/w support
    The Note 3 has 32 GB or 64 GB of internal flash memory, that can be increased by adding a µSDXC card. While so far the max. available size is 64 GB, any SDXC reader conforming to specs should be able to read up to 2 TB. The largest SDXC card available is 256 GB, which already already worked in the Note as can be read at [c].

    External USB HDD, USB flash drive and USB SD/CF reader r/w access
    But there is a cheaper way to extend external storage, since Samsung does not require root rights to have r/w access to memory connected via an USB OTG cable, you can extend the internal memory as needed. While the USB port provides enough power to drive also an HDD I do not recommend it due the constant current of >=0.5 A drawn by most HDD.
    USB flash drives require less power and even newer USB 2.0 flash drives are fast enough to enjoy watching films.
    USB SD or CF reader allow also access, however due to unnecessary current draw I would not recommend to think about using your old CF-µDrives.

    Memory access via WLAN
    While due to the r/w support to memory via USB OTG cable not necessary, it should be possible to use also storage via WLAN or NAS in the router, but I have not tested it so far.
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    Standard File systems supported

    File systems supported
    Sorry to repeat myself, but Samsung does not provide this information either. R/W access to the primary partition of a FAT 32 formatted memory works. In windows XP and 7 formatted NTFS drives are not recognized. If you search you’ll find APPs are claimed to provide NTFS and ext 4 access, but since these require root rights I cannot test them, nor any other of the file systems in use since I don’t have the time to test them all.
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    Standard USB 3.0 not supported for external USB 3.0 memory only for windows pc

    USB 3.0 not supported for external USB 3.0 memory only for windows pc
    While the Note 3 has an USB 3.0 port, it does not support USB 3.0 transfer to USB 3.0 memory. So far only windows PC can connect via USB 3.0 to the Note 3. For this you have to install Kies which I din't wan't to do therefore no USB3 for me. Other who do use USB 3.0 write you have to manually activate USB 3.0 transfer, and even then USB 3.0 transfer will cancel after 10 minutes.
    Any other memory with USB 3.0 support, an USB 3.0 128 GB USB flash drive from PNY, USB 3.0 HDD or USB 3.0 SDXC reader will only work in USB 2.0 mode even when connected via an USB 3.0 OTG cable.
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    Standard USB Hub support, (BT)Keyboard and Touchpad, Mouse

    USB Hub support

    USB Hub support, (BT)Keyboard and Touchpad, Mouse
    Since the Note 2 has 3 USB ports I tested to see how good external USB Hubs work. While USB 3.0 does not work the USB 2.0 hub in the USB 3.0 Hub is used, independently if connected via an USB 2.0 OTG- or 3.0 OTG-cable. While the number of ports varied the number of drives recognized/drive letters assigned did to. Sometimes a drive or two were missing after the drive letters were assigned but I could not define if it is a fault of the flash drive, the Hub or a combination of both. Changing the ports helpes sometimes and sometimes not. I assume it has something to do with the USB bridge chips layout, number of ports they provide and how they are interfaced to the USB port. USB 2.0 Hubs worked with or without an external ower supply, while the Anker USB 3.0 required the external power supply for operation. As you can see in Fig.: 9 all 4 flash drives, the USB SDXC reader and the USB keyboard and mouse were detected.

    One-on-one tackling the Galaxy Note 3 (N9005)   - the good, the bad and the ugly side of the Note-mouse-pointer.jpg
    Fig.: 9 External USB Flash drive, USB µSD reader, USB keyboard and mouse support. The mouse pointer is highlighted in the red circle

    Bluetooth Keyboard and Touchpad
    My Donzo universal Mini BT v3.0 Bluetooth keyboard with Touchpad connected via Bluetooth and allowed me to type with the QWERTZ keyboard using the QWERTZ assignment. Due to the integrated touchpad I had a cursor which I could move over the display. However I am not sure how the keyboard layout is recognized and how this German QWERTZ keyboard would be used with a Note from a different language country.

    USB Mouse and keyboard
    Since the Bluetooth 3.0 keyboard with touchpad worked fine, and allowed me typing and to move a cursor, I connected an USB keyboard and an USB Microsoft Intellymouse via an USB 2.0 OTG cable. To make it interesting I added 4 USB flash drives and an USB SDXC reader with an µSDXC card in an µSDXC to SDXC adapter. As you can see in the ES explorer it works. So even so using a standard size keyboard and mouse on such a small screen looks strange, but always connect it via MHL and HDMI to a TV or monitor with HDMI input. When a mouse a mouse pointer appears, which I highlighted in Fig.:9 with a red circle.
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    Standard USB DVB-T stick

    USB DVB-T stick
    Since I had a Terratec Noxon DVB-T that I used on may Nexus 7 with the SDR-Radio software, it worked as well on the Note. SDR-radio allows reception of AM, FM, SSB and CW over a wide frequency range. The frequency range varies with the receiver and IQ-demodulator chip used in the DVB-T stick. While you get a lot lot of spurious signals that you receiver all in all it’s a nice gadget to have when you are away from home. Since a number of projects are focusing on DIY TRX SDR boards I assume that there will be improved reception in the near future for Android based SDR receiver.
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    Standard Battery, charging, power consumption

    The battery from the Note 3 has a 100 mAh higher capacity then the Note 2 battery. In addition to the OEM 3.200 mAh battery, third party ad dons are available, but require a new rear cover. They claim capacities up to 10 000 mAh and are extensively discussed in thread [c]. These batteries may or may not provide the provide the claimed capacity, so better read feedback from owner first. As said above the larger a battery gets the more it can shield the antennas and therefore impact transmit/receive of the antennas it shields.

    Battery Charging
    USB 2.0 or 3.0 Charging is straightforward just connect a USB 2.0 or 3.0 cable to a USB 2.0, 3.0 or USB charging only port in the Notes batteries get charged. Both µUSB 2.0 and 3.0 connectors have the charging pins in the first 5 pins of the µUSB 2 part of the USB 3.0 µUSB connector. The added new part in the µUSB 3.0 provides only pins for USB 3.0 data transfer (4 pins) and ground pin.
    In the Note 3 the µSDXC slot is placed on top of the SIM slot. The USB 3.0 is only needed for connection to a PC. The current provided for charging is the same for the USB 2.0 as well as the USB 3.0 cable. The charging speed is therefore identical on any USB port or power supply, except the Note 3 the power supply which has with 5.3 V a slightly higher voltage, compared to the standard 5.0 V.

    Battery charging-currents and current supplied to the Note
    The Note 3 OEM power supply with USB 3.0 cable is rated 5.3 V 2000 mA, while the Note 2 as well as Note 2 docking-station with an USB 2.0 cable have 5V and 2000 mA power supply. The OEM power supply alone draws not enough power to register any value in my AC-power power meter (PowerMonitor Pro, Conrad), which has 0.1 W resolution for all three power modes it can measure. The only way to get stable values was to switch the Note off. When the Note 3 is on, even with the display dark, the current draw is difficult since the values fluctuates fast with changing load.
    Values measured with Note 3 shutdown:

    Samsung Note 2 power supply 5.0 V 2 A: ~ 10.8 W
    ~ 11.0 W
    USB 3.0 10 port Hub-charging port:
    (internal DC/DC converter & ext. 12V power supply (~2.1 W power consumption without Note)

    The values didn’t change much when different cable were trie, starting with the Samsung Note 2 USB 2.0 cable, the Note 3 USB 3.0 cable, a 20 cm USB 3.0 a to µUSB 3.0, as well as other cable with µUSB 2.0 out or USB cable with adadpter to µUSB 2.0 or 3.0.
    There are APPs like the Charging Current Lite APP that are supposed to display the charging currents. After measuring the Note 3 AC power consumption I have my doubts about the validity of the displayed currents. These currents displayed by this APP were 450 mA or 1200 mA, even when the Note 3 battery was indicated to be fully charged at 100%, the APP displayed a charging current of 1200 mA. The AC power consumption varied at that time around 5 W ± 1W.

    Charging with external components connected to USB 2.0/3.0 Hub
    USB Hubs provide power out only for the ports. The have a DC block between the in and the output USB-port. Hubs that have an external PS will still only supply the output connectors with power.
    The same is the case for many MHL AV connector, for many it not clear if they allow charging while providing AV out to a TV or monitor see discussions in [c].
    Therefor unless external components connected to the µUSB connector provide a charging plug for the Notes 3, e.g. µUSB 2.0 plug, using the µUSB connector will drain the battery without a chance for charging, e.g. USB-Hubs, -Sticks or MHL adapter.

    Wireless charging
    Wireless charging requires an additional antenna coil to be mounted in the back below the cover of the Notes or to have it in the back cover, e.g. as a flat printed circuit board coil. Additional pins provide for connection of the antenna to the charging base. Since I won’t buy one, you’ll have to search yourself information.

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    Standard I/O - Finger-/Pen-Input, handwriting recognition, voice recognition

    I/O - Finger-/Pen-Input, handwriting recognition, voice recognition
    Using a pen instead your fingers you won’t get fingerprints on the glossy display. The main advantage both Notes is that they use a Wacom based pressure sensitive pen. Both Notes pens do not provide the eraser tip opposite to the pen tip. If you have a pen with the eraser tip, like the S-pen from the Samsung Slate 7 (X700T1A) you also have the erase supported.
    Even though the full benefits is only provided for APP’s programs that support pressure sensitivity using the pens is still a large improvement, when compared to the various eraser like rubber tips. The tip is hard but flexible you can apply more or less pressure, like you do with a ball point pen on paper. Both Notes have storage bay for storing the pen. In the Note 3 Samsung improved the feeling by using a different material for the tip. It provides a better feeling, more rubbery like, which gives more feedback when compared to the old plastic tip. It does not feel like plastic gliding on glass anymore but provides a certain resistance, making it superior to the older tip.
    The Note 3 pen does not fit in the Note 3 bay, while the Note3 pen does in the Note 2 but is not fixed and slipps out to again.
    Hand writing recognition on both Notes is as good as on any windows tablets or convertible laptops I used so far. While auto correction can be a large benefit, it also can be a problem when it corrects intentionally and carefully written characters or words into something it thinks appropriate. Alternatives are offered the entered characters are not which makes it useless for e.g. captchaws.
    Typing with the stick on the onscreen keyboard is adequate, however I would have liked to also see a caps-lock *** sequential entry of capital characters safer. All tablets offer a swype keyboard.
    The S-Pen is Wacom pen technology based device, which allows pressure sensitive writing/drawing if the program/App makes
    I hope that helps you to have a better understanding of Wacom technology and what to look for. For me the Wacom based pen was a large reason why I choose a Notes.
    Voice recognition is provided but I have not tested it.
    Samsung adds replacement tips for both Notes and a metal clip Fig. 10 to remove them.

    One-on-one tackling the Galaxy Note 3 (N9005)   - the good, the bad and the ugly side of the Note-pen-tip-removal.jpg
    Fig 10 Note 3 pen with the removal metal clip

    Unlike the tips in the larger S-pens which have the same diameter over the complete length of the tip. the Note 3 tips is thinner at the end,
    One-on-one tackling the Galaxy Note 3 (N9005)   - the good, the bad and the ugly side of the Note-pen-tip.jpg
    Fig. 11 Note 3 pen and replacement tip

    While trying to remove the Tip from the Note 2 the clip slipped and broke of the thinner end of the tip. Fortunately the reaming rest extends enough out of the pen to still allow the use, and imho provide better handling then before.
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    Standard Benefits of the Wacom Pen support

    Benefits of the Wacom Pen support
    The pen provided in it’s storage is Wacom based. Unlike other pens that require direct contact to the display, you will see a pointer when you come closes to the screen with the Wacom pens tip. The small circle will remain below the tip wherever you move. Where it a windows tablet the mouse pointer is will move with the pen movement and if you double click a Mousebutton will initiate the action.
    So far this may not sound worthwhile and functions like all other pens for capacitive or resistive displays, but Wacom based pens are also pressure sensitive. Operation therefore requires some pressure for it to function. Unfortunately Samsung does not provide any details on pressure steps, but Wacom pens may provide as many as 1024 -2048 steps.
    If programs do not support pressure sensitive input you may assume that it's no improvement to your finger or a standard pen. With the Note 3 Samsung added also support for the two areas below the screen which on the Note 2 could only be activated using your finger.
    If programs support pressure sensitive feedback it gets interesting.
    - writing/drawing while increasing pressure will trigger a number of features e.g. the line gets thicker, or more pronounced if you have a sprayer or or or .
    - Other Wacom based pens work too, e.g. the S-Pen from my Samsung Slate7 win7 X700T1a tablet. The S-Pen is slightly larger and therefore in my opinion better suited for work.
    - The main benefit over the smaller pen is, that opposite to the pens tip is an erase button, that allows you to erase parts you don't want to keep, and if you have a pen with the erase button it’s function is also supported on the Note 3
    - Then there is the handwriting recognition in all Wacom based tablets toggle button allows to switch between keyboard and handwriting recognition. The handwriting recognition is as god as any other I tried on Wacom based tablets or convertibles. Handwriting recognition uses a database of words and uses them to find correct word. If you intentionally want to write something it does not know, e.g. passwords or captchaws, abbreviations or if you change between languages, its time consuming to correct wrong recognition, but for standard text and notes it beats typing. I not found no way to switch auto correction off.
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    Standard Wireless connectivity WAN, WLAN, NFC, Bluetooth
    Wireless connectivity WAN, WLAN, NFC, Bluetooth

    WAN data/phone support

    WAN USB modem data/phone support/SAT>ip
    SIM- and Region lock was not a problem until Samsung recently announced that new equipment will be regional locked, unless activated with a SIM from the region you bought it in. Then it would be region free, however these claims could not be found on the Samsung websites not did it prove to be true for all Note 2 and 3 sold recently. Unless you consider like me your Note not to be also your telephone you might be screwed by Samsung most recent idea to harass their customers. It depends alot in which region your Note 3 and which model you bought to define which frequency bands, channel and standards your Note 3 will provide.
    WLAN – data/memory/phone
    While most WLAN only provide support for the 2.4 GHz segment, the Notes support both 2,4 and 5 GHz and work as well as can be expected from integrated antennas. Connection to all Hotspots/routers tested worked well.

    WLAN phone support
    If you own a Fritzbox router ( i own a 7390) and use DECT-phones you can replace them with your Note when you install the FRITZ!App Fon. Since many DECT phones don’t have a headset connection you can use your Note with the supplied one and slip your Note in a pocket while walking anywhere where you are still connected to your Fritzbox router.

    WLAN SAT>ip
    In the recent year DVB-S(2) receiver became available that provide streaming of a channel audio/video signal via LAN and WLAN possible. When a SAT>IP capable receiver is connected to my 7390 Fritzbox I can access the audio/video as well change channel via WLAN after I had installed SAT>IP App. I tried an Digisat R1 box with 4 LNB inputs. It’s amazing if you can watch SAT TV anaywhere on your Note.

    NFC support
    All three support NFC which allows you to read out NFC tags that can be found in credit cards, passports, access cards or hotel-room-keys. This way you can identify if you have any NFC chips in your possession and decide if you want to shield them from intentionally scanning, which can be performed up to more the 30 cm away, while you may not be aware of it, e.g. if you pass a door.
    More recently NFC is also used to pair equipment like Sonys QX Lens-camera via WLAN and spare you having to type in lengthy string of characters if you d not have NFC support.


    Bluetooth support you to use not only BT-Headsets or but also keyboards with integrated touchpad. When pairing with keyboard works, you may have a different keyboard mapping. Since mine worked for me I did not check if Android allows country selection and/or keyboard layout remapping like windows does.
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